Only used 3yrs, used maybe 20 times total. I love this saddle but unfortunately it doesn't fit me or I don't fit it anymore, lol. 14", bought at Leanin Pole in Killdeer, original stirrups pictured laying on top of saddle can come with those or the ones currently on it your choice. Brand new beautiful Conchos added. Leather straps added for tying things onto it. Excellent craftsmanship quality saddle not a cheap one. $1200 OBO Cash. No tire kickers serious buyers please.